On the "metabolic approach" to cancer (Dr Thomas Seyfried - based on the Warburg Effect) - the protocols currently using generic drugs - standalone or in combination with standard chemotherapy
Just read "Cancer Care" by Marik. Really nice breakdown of repurposed drugs and supplements. Sadly, I have a whole shelf on cancer books. This is a favorite.
My husband (72yrs old) has Prostate Cancer which in November 2024 advanced to pelvic blade bone and Seminal Vestical PSA 9.4 (After first biopsy and treatment CyberKnife in 2020).
He’s doing traditional radiation and hormone castration, intermittent fasting and cancer keto diet. He is also a patient of Dr William Makis taking Ivermectin & Fenbenzadol, etc, protocol since January 14, 2025.
We and Drs feel biopsy metastasized from 2020 biopsy. Therefore, we did NOT do biopsy this time-2025!
February 24, 2025 PSA .28 (down).
We have not been involved with any protocol(s) long enough to have an effect. Looking to have scan done at 6 months, around August 2025.
Very concerned about metastasis and plan to take Ivermectin (periodically) and intermittent fasting along with low carb diet-no pizza, no bun on burgers the rest of his life.
Love and admire your work. Very effective using two camera angles in videos, too!👍
This is Stereomatch the author of this article - which has link to Dr John Campbell's video
You can reach him by replying to one of his YouTube videos
Or can reply to him on Twitter - but he isn't that active on Twitter it seems
>Very concerned about metastasis and plan to take Ivermectin (periodically) and intermittent fasting along with low carb diet-no pizza, no bun on burgers the rest of his life.
Why are you planning on taking IVM only periodically?
And not constantly - along with Fenbendazole
Also keep Vitamin D levels high - for every Vitamin D3 5000 IU take Vitamin K2 100mcg to avoid soft tissue calcification
Maintain Vitamin D blood levels at 80ng/ml to under 100ng/ml
That will require taking 2x or 3x the above Vitamin D3 + K2 dose until reach those blood levels
Husband is “constantly” taking IVM and FenBen now. (along with complete Dr. Makis protocol supplements). Hopefully after a successful treatment diagnosis of ‘no cancer’ in August (8 months on treatment ) he would then only take them periodically as a prophylactic to stave off metastasis and cancer
Great 👍👍please keep it up. Examples like you are beacons of hope for the millions of patients fighting the disease. Praying for the continuing well being of both of you.🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hi Deanna, thank you for sharing this info. My dad has stage 4 prostate cancer gleason 9 and he's 71 years old. Hormone blockers stopped working on him and currently his PSA is around 220. I'm trying to convince him to take ivermectin and fenbendazole. Did you guys have any success with the protocol? Thank you
Give him a description of your father, rundown on his condition and prescription drugs he is currently taking, etc. Makis’s office will inform you of fee. 🙏
Thank you for sharing this. So the situation is that we received a protocol from Dr. Makis and my dad is currently in another country where he was able to get IVM, nanocurcumin, vit D, K2, and zinc. But his progress is not noticeable and he is frustrated over taking all these pills without success (he's taking 1mg/kg/day from 3mg tablets which is about 30 tablets per day plus others). I shipped him Fenben along with other supplements Dr. Makis prescribed. However I am trying to convince him that people are getting cured with both of these together. That's why I am trying to find testimonials like these, screenshot them and send it to him so that he gets convinced to stick to the protocol Dr. Makis gave him. Are you able to share any before and after bloodwork, it would really help. We have tried so many alternative treatments that the internet claims to be working but nothing has worked thus far so he's discouraged and thinks everything is fake. We've tried apricots seeds (over 50 per day), B17 tablets, sodium bicarbonate, Chlorine Dioxide Solution (worked for some time), Vitamin C IV, Mistletoe IV, Rick Simpson Oil, keto diet (tested ketones with urine strips), 10 day fast (no food, just water and salt), plethora of vitamins and supplements. He's lasted since Nov 2021 with Gleason 9 but nothing has been able to reverse it. But I won't let him die, this isn't magic, it's cause and effect so I know there's a way to cure this and I'm hoping the IVM and Fenben will work. But as you can see almost 4 years of this trying almost everything without progress and going through all the physical pain, it's discouraging for him. He still has dreams he wants to fulfill so I can't let him die.
edit: the fenben hasn't arrived to him yet, I'm just trying to gather enough evidence so that when it arrives he takes it along with everything he is taking now.
I hear it takes a few days to get an initial response - because he gets about 1000 e-mails a day - any feedback on that so people have an idea of turnaround times to expect
And did you get a zoom call?
Did you have any trouble filling the prescription for IVM - any feedback of that experience - or had to use veterinary sources as easier and cheaper
Since you used Fenbendazole from veterinary sources - did you get an idea how expensive Mebendazole is? In the US, Mebendazole as prescription drug is expensive but is dirt cheap in the developing countries - where it is also available over the counter (OTC)
We didn't get a zoom call, just communication through email and whenever we ask questions we get replies from his assistant probably because he's busy but recently we got a reply from himself because his assistant flagged my dad's case due to our concerns. He replied saying at the very least to stick to the repurposed drugs because those are the key things that work. I forwarded the email to my dad for encouragement.
He gave us links to find IVM and Fenben so that was very helpful. I ordered 12mg tablets so I can ship to him so that he doesn't have to take so many 3mg tablets which is what he has access to where he currently is.
We're in Canada but he went out of country to try another alternative medicine with a biochemist which has been working on and off but overall getting worse.
The value of Dr William Makis is that he is pushing the envelope for IVM + Fenbendazole/Mebendazole dosing
Allowing use of much higher dosing than previously used
Lower dosing may have had it's success stories - but we don't know about the ones for whom it failed
Dr William Makis has documented cases where cancer was not reversing and then he boosted the dosing to the target doses he uses now - and he added low dose chemo - and then saw reversal
Those sorta of clinical reports are important to understand the limits of the dosing - and why escalation can sometimes mean the difference between a treatment working and not working
Essentially it is a race between the dosing vs the aggressiveness of the cancer
Because of this many more doctors using these protocols are much more comfortable using the higher dose
Some of the comfortableness around high doses of Ivermectin comes from early treatment doctors for covid19 who had the most experience and thus were the most comfortable about it's safety
However now that comfort level is more pervasive - that the types of doses now being recommended as target doses
Have your father read through this substack article
I wrote it exactly for newbies - to get a crash course - by first showing that there is a multitude of doctors saying the same thing
Tell him to go through every video
It will take him 1 day to get through them all
By the end of it he will be in a position to see why the strategies are the way they are
Then have him follow Dr William Makis on Twitter - set up his Twitter app if possible
(Or you can send him daily updates)
- keep his Vitamin D blood levels above 80ng/ml to under 100ng/ml
- make sure for every Vitamin D3 5000 IU - that he gets Vitamin K2 100mcg
- 5000 IU per day will barely get over 40ng/ml - so will need 2-3x that dose initially - check Vitamin D blood levels in 1-2 months - can give 200,000 IU once - then a week later another 200,000 IU softgel - to get him quickly up to speed
- avoid calcium supplementation when doing high dose Vitamin D3 supplementation - calcium supplements in any case nowadays being dissuaded as add to cardiovascular risk - calcium via usual dietary food is ok
- ramp up to the target doses of IVM and Fenbendazole/Mebendazole (Mebendazole might be cheap and over the counter where he is at perhaps?)
From what I have seen - unlike the fear of impact on liver - there usually isn't much impact - but can get LFTs (liver function tests done after 1 week, 2 weeks just to be sure)
IVM high dose or prolonged can lead to visual disturbances after 5 days - however these go away
And at the target doses people seem to be handling it well
(unless there is an exceptional case of course - usually issues not seen)
- IVM + Fenbendazole/Mebendazole - should be taken with fatty meal - for improved bioavailability
Then try to reduce sugar and carbohydrates
Do intermittent fasting - 9pm last meal - next day 1-2 cups of green tea when feel hungry - and by 1-2pm have meal
During eating window get meat and animal fat and butter/ghee
Avoid seed oils - as seen as inflammatory
Olive oil is ok - but almost always has adulteration
Coconut oil is also good
intermittent fasting doesn't mean caloric deficit - can eat well - just need the fasting window long enough to get into ketosis - so it shocks the cancer periodically - puts it under stress
See Owen Hemsath fasting schedule as one example
Some combinations are known to kill cancer stem cells (CSCs) - which can be slow growing - and sometimes are not killed by chemotherapy:
- Curcumin + Piperine supplement get for him - needs 1000mg-2000mg of Curcumin (cannot take this as turmeric powder - would be many tablespoonfulls of tumeric to get that much Curcumin - and would upset stomach) - so Curcumin + Piperine supplement is easier - if no piperine then take with some black pepper - as that improves bioavailability
- Vitamin C 2000mg oral + low dose Doxycycline 50mg to 100mg - esp useful if taken with low dose chemo - so can take for 5 days during chemo
- Vitamin C high dose intravenous 50,000mg to 75,000mg - which is considered a pro-oxidant dose - better if done with low dose chemo - stresses out the cancer cells - (Vitamin C doses below 25,000mg are considered anti-oxidant)
Idea is to throw the kitchen sink at it
And most of these combinations have minimal or no side effects
Thank you for all the detailed information. The problem isn't the information itself. We've tried a lot of these alternative therapies as I mentioned previously, but nothing had worked and we haven't personally met or spoke to anyone who has been cured but an of these treatments. Online there would be videos of people claiming things to work but we weren't able to get a hold of anyone. A few people that I managed to find taking Rick Simpson Oil, posted it years ago in a video, then I checked their facebook and saw that they had passed away. Imagine that, we can't find anyone personally, and the few we found were dead. The same goes for Sono Dynamic Therapy in China, I looked up a couple testimonials only to find out the patients have passed away. So although information sounds good, what's more valuable right now is finding people that have actually been cured with alternative treatments so we can go after what truly works. If it was me, I would definitely throw the kitchen sink at it but it's difficult to convince him at this point since he's been edge of life for almost 3 years with all sorts of diets, fasting, alternative therapies, no junk food, lots of pain, going back and forth for treatments, it really gets to you mentally and spiritually.
He's working with a biochemist that has been sustaining him with some herbal injections. The problem is, everytime his PSA comes down, the cancer adapts to the injection and the chemist has to change the formula. 1 injection per day for 6 days then 1 week break. Each time the batch takes a couple days to make and the injection itself takes an hour and has to be done under the table since it's illegal. His cancer for some reason is adapting to everything and is aggressive. But we won't give up.
Anyhow, I will take what you said and see what I can do. I haven't gone through all the videos in your post yet. I'm doing the research for him since he's currently in the boonies in another country with weak internet and a crappy laptop.
There is already a lot of anecdotal evidence built up for these approaches for cancer
Just as for Ivermectin - now any video debunking Ivermectin has many comments from people saying they used it and it helped - so it is hard to censor now
Similarly for cancer - and this is not just from the pandemic - but prior to that thanks to the Joe Tippens groups (using Fenbendazole) - there is a body of user experience out there
Now in any cancer as a metabolic disease video - you can see many comments about stage 4 cancer reversals
I have heard back from one of the early treatment doctors who told me he had a cancer patient who he was going to start on the Fenben/IVM alternating - Vtamin D3 - Vitamin C intravenous - type of protocol
Patient was stage 4 pancreatic cancer with metastasis all over his stomach area
6 weeks later I checked back how it went - blood markers had improved 75% he said - and metastasis had halved
So this was a case without selection bias (where you only hear from successful cases) - though is a single case
But I am finding a whole host of reports from social media about people reversing skin cancer to other cancers
And we have Dr William Makis substack which detailed many such cases - after he started his practice focusing on cancer - he has been reporting these cases
Now it is possible there could be failures we don't hear about - but the number of stage 4 cancers reporting reversal is so many that it is hard to ignore as a possible signal
(Joe Tippens was one of more than 1000+ patients in a trial of a chemotherapy drug who survived - he was the only one who was taking Fenbendazole on the side - suggested by his vet friend)
(by the way I even tried a course on a tumor on a relative's dog's leg - which was not going away for months - and prolonged IVM 6mg per day - seemed to reduce it and then it rapidly reduced - again this is just one case but interesting)
Then from the other end there is a host of info - Dr Berg's interviews of prolonged intermittent fasting cases who just reversed stage 4/terminal cancers with fasting
So one sees that coming at it from different angles one starts to see the problem being bound from various sides
From the academic side - there are papers suggesting IVM maybe prophylactic for tumor formation ie. prevents formation of new tumors
And those who are using these protocols report benefit
I HAVE seen a signal from some of these early treatment doctors who have used these protocols for cancer - that cancer reduces but if slack off it can come back with a vengeance
So it is pretty clear you can reduce the cancer volumes - just by doing fasting (does not mean calorie restriction - but creating windows where ketosis happens)
Some of the Dr Berg inteview subjects who reversed stage 4 with fasting + diet - they report it is a "manageable problem" i.e. when they fast things seems to reduce - when they slack off it starts to come back i.e. volumes increase
This suggests that fasting alone may be sufficient to decrease volumes - which may give an end state patient some time (to add other therapies and avoid continuing declining)
But it may be that it doesn't destroy the seed necessarily - i.e. when they slack off it comes back (and if the "seeds" for lack of a better description have proliferated in their own way as well - it is possible that there may be multiple areas that grow back in parallel - thus overwhelming the patient)
So there needs to be a way to ensure that there is elimination of these "seeds" or cancer stem cells as well
There the press-pulse protocol may be of use (though there may not be as much data for that as there is for Fenben/IVM/Mebendazole)
The odd thing is there are many anecdotes where there was reversal just with Fenbendazole - or just with Ivermectin
So the question remains what happens if you use all these in combination i.e. throw the kitchen sink at it
We may have the answer soon enough - as the early treatment doctors who are now also treating some cancer patients - will in a few months have enough data to have a seat of the pants idea how this is going
What gives me good signal is that basic observation - that fasting seems to have direct impact on volumes of cancerous tissue - this means the time element could be gained - which gives time to try multiple strategies at once
In any case this is a rapidly developing area - and in a few months we should be getting a better feel for things as data from many doctors start coming in.
- and testimonials that have selection bias (ie. fail to mention the failures - or people self-report only the successes - the ones who die don't report they died)
Is that the major thrust in the use of fasting and Fenben/IVM etc - has been the public.
That is, patients have self-medicated and the successful ones have been followed by others
So there are robust communities of people following Joe Tippens protocol (Fenben, CBD oil and curcumin - as anti-inflammatories)
And separately some stage 4 cancer cases - adopted intermittent fasting (and longer water fasts) to reverse tumor sizes - Guy Tenenbaum and Fred Evrard (who have been later interviewed by Dr Berg and Dr John Campbell on YouTube - those videos have been censored by YouTube)
So the people doing the bulk of the work in this direction for cancer - have been the public i.e. it is an open source or grassroots type of effort
What has happened is that early treatment doctors - due to their increasing comfort with IVM safety profile and their deep dive into it - got exposed to IVM for cancer - and then inevitably the other ideas that had been floating (but ignored by mainstream)
- Joe Tippens and groups who were using those protocols
- Dr Thomas Seyfried (who since his 2014 paper has been advocating that genetic component for cancer is not the full story)
After the covid19 pandemic winded down - these early treatment doctors were freer - and the public was sensitized already
So some of the pre-pandemic cancer groups grew in size - and got attention
As a result you see collaboration now between Dr Paul Marik of the FLCCC with Dr Thomas Seyfried and with Dr William Makis (an oncologist) - they have a paper together on this approach - and Dr Paul Marik has a protocol for cancer from FLCCC
And between the FLCCC and Dr Kathleen Ruddy (a cancer surgeon) - in creating clinical trials to get data on effectiveness of these protocols
Adam Gaertner pointed out early in the pandemic the IVM value - and mid-pandemic created the protocol using IVM for cancer
I was not aware of Dr Thomas Seyfried before the pandemic - or of Dr Igor Atabekov
So while you may be correct that under these circumstances opportunists may emerge
But the people I mentioned above have mostly been at the butt end of health authorities oppression
And they would have earned more by complying with established practice (for example Dr Mary Talley Bowden tweeted once that she would have earned $1M more in bonuses/incentives if she had been pushing vaccines)
Similarly we now know that pediatricians earn large bonuses if they recruit more children to the vaccine schedule (this is why if they have a recalcitrant parent who is leery of completing the full schedule the doctor will throw them out as a patient - as this way their stats for bonuses are not affected)
So the incentives for performing a certain way exists all over medicine - not just in these new directions
The pre-pandemic history of such cancer awareness (which increased futher during the pandemic with the interest in IVM etc.) - among the public
- Veterinarians were using Fenbendazole and IVM for cancer in dogs
- Joe Tippens in 2016-2017 was the ONLY survivor out of 1000+ patients in a chemotherapy trial (he was using Fenbendazole on the side without telling his doctors - it had been suggested by a Veterinarian friend to him) - and he has continued to take it with CBD oil, curcumin (anti-inflammatory) i.e. maintenance dose
- Sharkman protocol
I would say the BULK of the awareness in the public is because of these pre-pandemic actors
With the pandemic and increased awareness of those who used IVM
This has increased further
In this substack post I mainly focused on this second wave of interest in these protocols
I may make a post (for completeness on the pre-pandemic actors in this field).
Most of the people trying these protocols are stage 4/terminal cancer patients who have been sent home to die
The reason this is so is that most cancer patients are too scare to go against their cancer doctor - even when doctor is not giving Vitamin D3 supplements i.e. things like that
Most are too scared to piss off their oncologist - and tend to adhere to their advice very closely (which makes sense)
For this reason many under treatment will not even listen to suggestion to keep Vitamin D at reasonably high levels - even though it is known as a risk factor
(the daily recommended allowance of Vitamin D is like 600 IU which is based on the amount required to avoid rickets - however to keep blood levels above 40-50ng/ml generally need Vitamin D3 5000IU or higher)
This may explain why most of the anecdotes are of stage 4/terminal cases reversing
Though you will find some about skin cancer or growths dropping off with just Ivermectin etc.
So it seems currently these protocols are not in the visibility of the mainstream of cancer patients
Hopefully before they start to be aware, by that time more visibility into outcomes will have happened (since many early treatment doctors are using these protocols on stage 4 cancer cases)
Ivermectin=Take concoction, add multiple toxins and radiation. Poisonous to 84% of life on earth.
Even the purest ivermectin may cause fertility damage and damage to unborn child. Known reproductive toxicant. Toxic to aquatic life. "Very toxic if swallowed."
"ivermectin treatment was not continued in patients with mutations detected as a result of genetic examination and these patients were excluded from the study."
"However, there are reports of severe adverse events to IVM, in some humans with high Loa loa burdens, and IVM can be neurotoxic in animals with defects in P-glycoproteins (P-gp) in the blood-brain barrier."
"Ivermectin intoxication was suspected, since encephalopathy and coma are well-known side effects of ivermectin treatment in animals and the usual causes of coma had been ruled out. ABCB1 sequencing identified the child as a compound heterozygote for two nonsense mutations: "
In early stages of development, ivermectin at doses of 0.4-0.8 mg/kg in mice, 10 mg/kg in rats, and 3-6 mg/kg in rabbits, increased the incidence of cleft palate, but it was not considered as embryotoxic since the frequency of anomalies was very low
Ivermectin is made by processing the soil bacteria Streptomyces avermitilis. The bacteria is put through a fermentation process, which forms several varieties of avermectins. Then the mixture is hydrogenated to produce Ivermectin.
Solid.
Just read "Cancer Care" by Marik. Really nice breakdown of repurposed drugs and supplements. Sadly, I have a whole shelf on cancer books. This is a favorite.
“Cracking The Cancer Toolkit: Using Repurposed Drugs for Cancer Treatment” by Jeffrey Dach MD is also really good.
I just tried one by one of the drugs/herbs for my family member and he is now basically symptom free.
Hi, Dr Campbell:
My husband (72yrs old) has Prostate Cancer which in November 2024 advanced to pelvic blade bone and Seminal Vestical PSA 9.4 (After first biopsy and treatment CyberKnife in 2020).
He’s doing traditional radiation and hormone castration, intermittent fasting and cancer keto diet. He is also a patient of Dr William Makis taking Ivermectin & Fenbenzadol, etc, protocol since January 14, 2025.
We and Drs feel biopsy metastasized from 2020 biopsy. Therefore, we did NOT do biopsy this time-2025!
February 24, 2025 PSA .28 (down).
We have not been involved with any protocol(s) long enough to have an effect. Looking to have scan done at 6 months, around August 2025.
Very concerned about metastasis and plan to take Ivermectin (periodically) and intermittent fasting along with low carb diet-no pizza, no bun on burgers the rest of his life.
Love and admire your work. Very effective using two camera angles in videos, too!👍
Thank you,
Deanna
This is Stereomatch the author of this article - which has link to Dr John Campbell's video
You can reach him by replying to one of his YouTube videos
Or can reply to him on Twitter - but he isn't that active on Twitter it seems
>Very concerned about metastasis and plan to take Ivermectin (periodically) and intermittent fasting along with low carb diet-no pizza, no bun on burgers the rest of his life.
Why are you planning on taking IVM only periodically?
And not constantly - along with Fenbendazole
Also keep Vitamin D levels high - for every Vitamin D3 5000 IU take Vitamin K2 100mcg to avoid soft tissue calcification
Maintain Vitamin D blood levels at 80ng/ml to under 100ng/ml
That will require taking 2x or 3x the above Vitamin D3 + K2 dose until reach those blood levels
Husband is “constantly” taking IVM and FenBen now. (along with complete Dr. Makis protocol supplements). Hopefully after a successful treatment diagnosis of ‘no cancer’ in August (8 months on treatment ) he would then only take them periodically as a prophylactic to stave off metastasis and cancer
recurrence.
Great 👍👍please keep it up. Examples like you are beacons of hope for the millions of patients fighting the disease. Praying for the continuing well being of both of you.🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for info.
Husband is taking Makis protocol
Hi Deanna, thank you for sharing this info. My dad has stage 4 prostate cancer gleason 9 and he's 71 years old. Hormone blockers stopped working on him and currently his PSA is around 220. I'm trying to convince him to take ivermectin and fenbendazole. Did you guys have any success with the protocol? Thank you
Don't wait - have him go through this article including every video
Then switch him to monitoring Dr William Makis' Twitter account
He posts a case report or two every day
That will tell you the types of dosing need
He typically gives these days:
- IVM - 1.5mg/kg bodyweight
- Fenbendazole 1500mg to 2000mg in some cases
He ramps up to those levels in 1-2 weeks
Also keep Vitamin D levels high - for every Vitamin D3 5000 IU take Vitamin K2 100mcg to avoid soft tissue calcification
Maintain Vitamin D blood levels at 80ng/ml to under 100ng/ml
That will require taking 2x or 3x the above Vitamin D3 + K2 dose until reach those blood levels
Yes, we decided to try. Contact Dr Makis at MakisW79@Yahoo.com
Give him a description of your father, rundown on his condition and prescription drugs he is currently taking, etc. Makis’s office will inform you of fee. 🙏
Thank you for sharing this. So the situation is that we received a protocol from Dr. Makis and my dad is currently in another country where he was able to get IVM, nanocurcumin, vit D, K2, and zinc. But his progress is not noticeable and he is frustrated over taking all these pills without success (he's taking 1mg/kg/day from 3mg tablets which is about 30 tablets per day plus others). I shipped him Fenben along with other supplements Dr. Makis prescribed. However I am trying to convince him that people are getting cured with both of these together. That's why I am trying to find testimonials like these, screenshot them and send it to him so that he gets convinced to stick to the protocol Dr. Makis gave him. Are you able to share any before and after bloodwork, it would really help. We have tried so many alternative treatments that the internet claims to be working but nothing has worked thus far so he's discouraged and thinks everything is fake. We've tried apricots seeds (over 50 per day), B17 tablets, sodium bicarbonate, Chlorine Dioxide Solution (worked for some time), Vitamin C IV, Mistletoe IV, Rick Simpson Oil, keto diet (tested ketones with urine strips), 10 day fast (no food, just water and salt), plethora of vitamins and supplements. He's lasted since Nov 2021 with Gleason 9 but nothing has been able to reverse it. But I won't let him die, this isn't magic, it's cause and effect so I know there's a way to cure this and I'm hoping the IVM and Fenben will work. But as you can see almost 4 years of this trying almost everything without progress and going through all the physical pain, it's discouraging for him. He still has dreams he wants to fulfill so I can't let him die.
edit: the fenben hasn't arrived to him yet, I'm just trying to gather enough evidence so that when it arrives he takes it along with everything he is taking now.
Fee is about $300 correct?
Is that Canadian or US?
I hear it takes a few days to get an initial response - because he gets about 1000 e-mails a day - any feedback on that so people have an idea of turnaround times to expect
And did you get a zoom call?
Did you have any trouble filling the prescription for IVM - any feedback of that experience - or had to use veterinary sources as easier and cheaper
Since you used Fenbendazole from veterinary sources - did you get an idea how expensive Mebendazole is? In the US, Mebendazole as prescription drug is expensive but is dirt cheap in the developing countries - where it is also available over the counter (OTC)
It was $650 USD, email was makisw79@yahoo.com
We didn't get a zoom call, just communication through email and whenever we ask questions we get replies from his assistant probably because he's busy but recently we got a reply from himself because his assistant flagged my dad's case due to our concerns. He replied saying at the very least to stick to the repurposed drugs because those are the key things that work. I forwarded the email to my dad for encouragement.
He gave us links to find IVM and Fenben so that was very helpful. I ordered 12mg tablets so I can ship to him so that he doesn't have to take so many 3mg tablets which is what he has access to where he currently is.
We're in Canada but he went out of country to try another alternative medicine with a biochemist which has been working on and off but overall getting worse.
The value of Dr William Makis is that he is pushing the envelope for IVM + Fenbendazole/Mebendazole dosing
Allowing use of much higher dosing than previously used
Lower dosing may have had it's success stories - but we don't know about the ones for whom it failed
Dr William Makis has documented cases where cancer was not reversing and then he boosted the dosing to the target doses he uses now - and he added low dose chemo - and then saw reversal
Those sorta of clinical reports are important to understand the limits of the dosing - and why escalation can sometimes mean the difference between a treatment working and not working
Essentially it is a race between the dosing vs the aggressiveness of the cancer
Because of this many more doctors using these protocols are much more comfortable using the higher dose
Some of the comfortableness around high doses of Ivermectin comes from early treatment doctors for covid19 who had the most experience and thus were the most comfortable about it's safety
However now that comfort level is more pervasive - that the types of doses now being recommended as target doses
Are not really affecting LFTs that much
And few other side effects
Have your father read through this substack article
I wrote it exactly for newbies - to get a crash course - by first showing that there is a multitude of doctors saying the same thing
Tell him to go through every video
It will take him 1 day to get through them all
By the end of it he will be in a position to see why the strategies are the way they are
Then have him follow Dr William Makis on Twitter - set up his Twitter app if possible
(Or you can send him daily updates)
- keep his Vitamin D blood levels above 80ng/ml to under 100ng/ml
- make sure for every Vitamin D3 5000 IU - that he gets Vitamin K2 100mcg
- 5000 IU per day will barely get over 40ng/ml - so will need 2-3x that dose initially - check Vitamin D blood levels in 1-2 months - can give 200,000 IU once - then a week later another 200,000 IU softgel - to get him quickly up to speed
- avoid calcium supplementation when doing high dose Vitamin D3 supplementation - calcium supplements in any case nowadays being dissuaded as add to cardiovascular risk - calcium via usual dietary food is ok
- ramp up to the target doses of IVM and Fenbendazole/Mebendazole (Mebendazole might be cheap and over the counter where he is at perhaps?)
From what I have seen - unlike the fear of impact on liver - there usually isn't much impact - but can get LFTs (liver function tests done after 1 week, 2 weeks just to be sure)
IVM high dose or prolonged can lead to visual disturbances after 5 days - however these go away
And at the target doses people seem to be handling it well
(unless there is an exceptional case of course - usually issues not seen)
- IVM + Fenbendazole/Mebendazole - should be taken with fatty meal - for improved bioavailability
Then try to reduce sugar and carbohydrates
Do intermittent fasting - 9pm last meal - next day 1-2 cups of green tea when feel hungry - and by 1-2pm have meal
During eating window get meat and animal fat and butter/ghee
Avoid seed oils - as seen as inflammatory
Olive oil is ok - but almost always has adulteration
Coconut oil is also good
intermittent fasting doesn't mean caloric deficit - can eat well - just need the fasting window long enough to get into ketosis - so it shocks the cancer periodically - puts it under stress
See Owen Hemsath fasting schedule as one example
Some combinations are known to kill cancer stem cells (CSCs) - which can be slow growing - and sometimes are not killed by chemotherapy:
- Curcumin + Piperine supplement get for him - needs 1000mg-2000mg of Curcumin (cannot take this as turmeric powder - would be many tablespoonfulls of tumeric to get that much Curcumin - and would upset stomach) - so Curcumin + Piperine supplement is easier - if no piperine then take with some black pepper - as that improves bioavailability
- Vitamin C 2000mg oral + low dose Doxycycline 50mg to 100mg - esp useful if taken with low dose chemo - so can take for 5 days during chemo
- Vitamin C high dose intravenous 50,000mg to 75,000mg - which is considered a pro-oxidant dose - better if done with low dose chemo - stresses out the cancer cells - (Vitamin C doses below 25,000mg are considered anti-oxidant)
Idea is to throw the kitchen sink at it
And most of these combinations have minimal or no side effects
Thank you for all the detailed information. The problem isn't the information itself. We've tried a lot of these alternative therapies as I mentioned previously, but nothing had worked and we haven't personally met or spoke to anyone who has been cured but an of these treatments. Online there would be videos of people claiming things to work but we weren't able to get a hold of anyone. A few people that I managed to find taking Rick Simpson Oil, posted it years ago in a video, then I checked their facebook and saw that they had passed away. Imagine that, we can't find anyone personally, and the few we found were dead. The same goes for Sono Dynamic Therapy in China, I looked up a couple testimonials only to find out the patients have passed away. So although information sounds good, what's more valuable right now is finding people that have actually been cured with alternative treatments so we can go after what truly works. If it was me, I would definitely throw the kitchen sink at it but it's difficult to convince him at this point since he's been edge of life for almost 3 years with all sorts of diets, fasting, alternative therapies, no junk food, lots of pain, going back and forth for treatments, it really gets to you mentally and spiritually.
He's working with a biochemist that has been sustaining him with some herbal injections. The problem is, everytime his PSA comes down, the cancer adapts to the injection and the chemist has to change the formula. 1 injection per day for 6 days then 1 week break. Each time the batch takes a couple days to make and the injection itself takes an hour and has to be done under the table since it's illegal. His cancer for some reason is adapting to everything and is aggressive. But we won't give up.
Anyhow, I will take what you said and see what I can do. I haven't gone through all the videos in your post yet. I'm doing the research for him since he's currently in the boonies in another country with weak internet and a crappy laptop.
Count me among the skeptics. All past cancer cures (which never work) followed the same pattern:
- Hopeful lab culture experiments or other claims
- Curated "testimonials"
- Financially involved promoters
Cancer cures change, but the story is always the same, "new revolutionary cancer cure suppressed by the FDA".
And sadly, you cannot starve cancer; the cancer will starve you
There is already a lot of anecdotal evidence built up for these approaches for cancer
Just as for Ivermectin - now any video debunking Ivermectin has many comments from people saying they used it and it helped - so it is hard to censor now
Similarly for cancer - and this is not just from the pandemic - but prior to that thanks to the Joe Tippens groups (using Fenbendazole) - there is a body of user experience out there
Now in any cancer as a metabolic disease video - you can see many comments about stage 4 cancer reversals
I have heard back from one of the early treatment doctors who told me he had a cancer patient who he was going to start on the Fenben/IVM alternating - Vtamin D3 - Vitamin C intravenous - type of protocol
Patient was stage 4 pancreatic cancer with metastasis all over his stomach area
6 weeks later I checked back how it went - blood markers had improved 75% he said - and metastasis had halved
So this was a case without selection bias (where you only hear from successful cases) - though is a single case
But I am finding a whole host of reports from social media about people reversing skin cancer to other cancers
And we have Dr William Makis substack which detailed many such cases - after he started his practice focusing on cancer - he has been reporting these cases
Now it is possible there could be failures we don't hear about - but the number of stage 4 cancers reporting reversal is so many that it is hard to ignore as a possible signal
(Joe Tippens was one of more than 1000+ patients in a trial of a chemotherapy drug who survived - he was the only one who was taking Fenbendazole on the side - suggested by his vet friend)
(by the way I even tried a course on a tumor on a relative's dog's leg - which was not going away for months - and prolonged IVM 6mg per day - seemed to reduce it and then it rapidly reduced - again this is just one case but interesting)
Then from the other end there is a host of info - Dr Berg's interviews of prolonged intermittent fasting cases who just reversed stage 4/terminal cancers with fasting
So one sees that coming at it from different angles one starts to see the problem being bound from various sides
From the academic side - there are papers suggesting IVM maybe prophylactic for tumor formation ie. prevents formation of new tumors
And those who are using these protocols report benefit
I HAVE seen a signal from some of these early treatment doctors who have used these protocols for cancer - that cancer reduces but if slack off it can come back with a vengeance
So it is pretty clear you can reduce the cancer volumes - just by doing fasting (does not mean calorie restriction - but creating windows where ketosis happens)
Some of the Dr Berg inteview subjects who reversed stage 4 with fasting + diet - they report it is a "manageable problem" i.e. when they fast things seems to reduce - when they slack off it starts to come back i.e. volumes increase
This suggests that fasting alone may be sufficient to decrease volumes - which may give an end state patient some time (to add other therapies and avoid continuing declining)
But it may be that it doesn't destroy the seed necessarily - i.e. when they slack off it comes back (and if the "seeds" for lack of a better description have proliferated in their own way as well - it is possible that there may be multiple areas that grow back in parallel - thus overwhelming the patient)
So there needs to be a way to ensure that there is elimination of these "seeds" or cancer stem cells as well
There the press-pulse protocol may be of use (though there may not be as much data for that as there is for Fenben/IVM/Mebendazole)
The odd thing is there are many anecdotes where there was reversal just with Fenbendazole - or just with Ivermectin
So the question remains what happens if you use all these in combination i.e. throw the kitchen sink at it
We may have the answer soon enough - as the early treatment doctors who are now also treating some cancer patients - will in a few months have enough data to have a seat of the pants idea how this is going
What gives me good signal is that basic observation - that fasting seems to have direct impact on volumes of cancerous tissue - this means the time element could be gained - which gives time to try multiple strategies at once
In any case this is a rapidly developing area - and in a few months we should be getting a better feel for things as data from many doctors start coming in.
One point I failed to address in your comment:
- regarding financially motivated promoters
- and testimonials that have selection bias (ie. fail to mention the failures - or people self-report only the successes - the ones who die don't report they died)
Is that the major thrust in the use of fasting and Fenben/IVM etc - has been the public.
That is, patients have self-medicated and the successful ones have been followed by others
So there are robust communities of people following Joe Tippens protocol (Fenben, CBD oil and curcumin - as anti-inflammatories)
And separately some stage 4 cancer cases - adopted intermittent fasting (and longer water fasts) to reverse tumor sizes - Guy Tenenbaum and Fred Evrard (who have been later interviewed by Dr Berg and Dr John Campbell on YouTube - those videos have been censored by YouTube)
So the people doing the bulk of the work in this direction for cancer - have been the public i.e. it is an open source or grassroots type of effort
What has happened is that early treatment doctors - due to their increasing comfort with IVM safety profile and their deep dive into it - got exposed to IVM for cancer - and then inevitably the other ideas that had been floating (but ignored by mainstream)
- Joe Tippens and groups who were using those protocols
- Dr Thomas Seyfried (who since his 2014 paper has been advocating that genetic component for cancer is not the full story)
After the covid19 pandemic winded down - these early treatment doctors were freer - and the public was sensitized already
So some of the pre-pandemic cancer groups grew in size - and got attention
As a result you see collaboration now between Dr Paul Marik of the FLCCC with Dr Thomas Seyfried and with Dr William Makis (an oncologist) - they have a paper together on this approach - and Dr Paul Marik has a protocol for cancer from FLCCC
And between the FLCCC and Dr Kathleen Ruddy (a cancer surgeon) - in creating clinical trials to get data on effectiveness of these protocols
Adam Gaertner pointed out early in the pandemic the IVM value - and mid-pandemic created the protocol using IVM for cancer
I was not aware of Dr Thomas Seyfried before the pandemic - or of Dr Igor Atabekov
So while you may be correct that under these circumstances opportunists may emerge
But the people I mentioned above have mostly been at the butt end of health authorities oppression
And they would have earned more by complying with established practice (for example Dr Mary Talley Bowden tweeted once that she would have earned $1M more in bonuses/incentives if she had been pushing vaccines)
Similarly we now know that pediatricians earn large bonuses if they recruit more children to the vaccine schedule (this is why if they have a recalcitrant parent who is leery of completing the full schedule the doctor will throw them out as a patient - as this way their stats for bonuses are not affected)
So the incentives for performing a certain way exists all over medicine - not just in these new directions
The pre-pandemic history of such cancer awareness (which increased futher during the pandemic with the interest in IVM etc.) - among the public
- Veterinarians were using Fenbendazole and IVM for cancer in dogs
- Joe Tippens in 2016-2017 was the ONLY survivor out of 1000+ patients in a chemotherapy trial (he was using Fenbendazole on the side without telling his doctors - it had been suggested by a Veterinarian friend to him) - and he has continued to take it with CBD oil, curcumin (anti-inflammatory) i.e. maintenance dose
- Sharkman protocol
I would say the BULK of the awareness in the public is because of these pre-pandemic actors
With the pandemic and increased awareness of those who used IVM
This has increased further
In this substack post I mainly focused on this second wave of interest in these protocols
I may make a post (for completeness on the pre-pandemic actors in this field).
Most of the people trying these protocols are stage 4/terminal cancer patients who have been sent home to die
The reason this is so is that most cancer patients are too scare to go against their cancer doctor - even when doctor is not giving Vitamin D3 supplements i.e. things like that
Most are too scared to piss off their oncologist - and tend to adhere to their advice very closely (which makes sense)
For this reason many under treatment will not even listen to suggestion to keep Vitamin D at reasonably high levels - even though it is known as a risk factor
(the daily recommended allowance of Vitamin D is like 600 IU which is based on the amount required to avoid rickets - however to keep blood levels above 40-50ng/ml generally need Vitamin D3 5000IU or higher)
This may explain why most of the anecdotes are of stage 4/terminal cases reversing
Though you will find some about skin cancer or growths dropping off with just Ivermectin etc.
So it seems currently these protocols are not in the visibility of the mainstream of cancer patients
Hopefully before they start to be aware, by that time more visibility into outcomes will have happened (since many early treatment doctors are using these protocols on stage 4 cancer cases)
This substack is tremendous. Thanks for all of the work you've done to maintain it.
Thoughts on vitamin D3 being toxic?
https://chemtrails.substack.com/p/vitamin-d-is-rat-poison-the-fraudulent
Ivermectin=Take concoction, add multiple toxins and radiation. Poisonous to 84% of life on earth.
Even the purest ivermectin may cause fertility damage and damage to unborn child. Known reproductive toxicant. Toxic to aquatic life. "Very toxic if swallowed."
https://rumble.com/v60no0h-taking-a-look-at-ivermectin-121824.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
Thank you for your time. Further research for ivermectin:
Half of the population have mdr-1 mutation
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17080296
Mdr-1 makes ivermectin neurotoxic
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11692082
mdr-1 people excluded from human trials to hide the fact it is neurotoxic.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04646109
"ivermectin treatment was not continued in patients with mutations detected as a result of genetic examination and these patients were excluded from the study."
https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0001883
"However, there are reports of severe adverse events to IVM, in some humans with high Loa loa burdens, and IVM can be neurotoxic in animals with defects in P-glycoproteins (P-gp) in the blood-brain barrier."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0045653520316428
"The accumulation of IVM in animal tissues and the excretion of urine and feces in the environment is the major source of potential toxicity."
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1917344
"Ivermectin intoxication was suspected, since encephalopathy and coma are well-known side effects of ivermectin treatment in animals and the usual causes of coma had been ruled out. ABCB1 sequencing identified the child as a compound heterozygote for two nonsense mutations: "
Potassium cyanide LD50 = 7.49 mg/kg ( Rat )
https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AC388315000&productDescription=POTASSIUM+CYANIDE%2C+PURE+500GR&vendorId=VN00032119&countryCode=US&language=en
Ivermectin LD50 = 10 mg/kg ( Rat )
https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AAJ6277703&productDescription=IVERMECTIN+1G&vendorId=VN00024248&countryCode=US&language=en
In early stages of development, ivermectin at doses of 0.4-0.8 mg/kg in mice, 10 mg/kg in rats, and 3-6 mg/kg in rabbits, increased the incidence of cleft palate, but it was not considered as embryotoxic since the frequency of anomalies was very low
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835698/
Ivermectin is made by processing the soil bacteria Streptomyces avermitilis. The bacteria is put through a fermentation process, which forms several varieties of avermectins. Then the mixture is hydrogenated to produce Ivermectin.
https://www.swiftrunnerministries.com/Subtle-Poisons.php
https://yummy.doctor/blog/a-note-about-ivermectin-and-hydroxychloroquine/
https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/videos/ivermectin-the-true-story-by-dr-andrew-kaufman/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3GGjYlLVqP4g/
https://open.substack.com/pub/chemtrails/p/the-players-behind-ivermectin-how